As my ol lady always says, "Yes...they're real." I've been looking for a nice Bates seat for a while, but I refuse to pay thousands of dollars for an old seat, or $500 for a repop. Even if it is the last piece of the puzzle for a bike that's absolutely screaming for an old leather seat. It looks like my patience paid off. I worked out a sweet trade for the pleated one, and a really good cash deal on the smooth one. I wasn't looking for 2, but that's how things go. Kinda funny- the same thing just happened with a pair of 1959 Bonneville gas tanks. I've been looking for one for a few years, then found two nice ones the same week. When it rains it pours I guess.